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I made millions from the financial crisis, Trust me the system is broken. Gary on AE Podcast

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Audio from Gary Stevenson's appearance on episode 62 of the Another Europe podcast with Luke Cooper & Zoe Williams - discussing wealth inequality. Recorded July 27th 2020. Another Europe Introduction: He made a fortune in the last financial crisis betting against a recovery. Now one-time City trader Gary Stevenson tells his jaw-dropping story. He won his job in a card game at one of the world’s top universities and was the most profitable trader globally at Citigroup in 2011. But his maths-based predictions of currency movements hit upon a problem: global inequality was paralysing the economic future of the entire world. In this podcast, Gary tells hosts Zoe Williams and Luke Cooper why the system has to change. He laments the failure of the Economics discipline to steer a new course and believes we are on the cusp of the total destruction of social mobility in every country in the world. SOCIAL MEDIA: WEBSITE - wealtheconomics.org TWITTER - @garyseconomics FACEBOOK - garyseconomics INSTAGRAM - garyseconomics GARY'S ARTICLES: www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org theguardian.com cityam.com opendemocracy.net opendemocracy.net nationalobserver.com AUDIO FEATURING GARY: anchor.fm youtu.be MORE VIDEOS: youtu.be - COVID-19 & MONEY youtu.be - RADIO 4 INTERVIEW youtu.be - LBC INTERVIEW youtu.be - talkRADIO INTERVIEW youtu.be - LBC INTERVIEW AUDIO FROM: Published with permission from Another Europe anothereurope.org PHOTOS FROM: pixabay.com by Steve Bidmead & Kai Pilger unsplash.com by Dimitry Anikin & Aron Van De Pol Spoken by Luke Cooper & Zoe Williams ANOTHER EUROPE Spoken by Gary Stevenson GARY'S ECONOMICS Edited by Simran Mohan MOHAN MEDIA 2020

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Gary Stevenson’s story unfolds as a striking indictment of how the financial system rewards risk without accountability and how inequality shapes economic outcomes. He describes how he won his first trading job in a university card game, a tale that underscores the almost arbitrary paths into high finance and the early culture of the trading floor. The interview situates his ascent in the pre-crisis years, when a rapid rise in asset prices followed a collapse in rates and a flood of government support. He explains that he correctly predicted that massive state bailouts would buoy asset prices even as the real economy lagged, a dynamic that benefited capital owners while workers faced stagnation. This realization set the stage for his critique of the economic model that prizes capital returns over labor wages. The narrative then delves into the psychology of traders, the allure of predicting macro outcomes, and the moral hazards embedded in a system that rewards profits while social costs are borne broadly. Stevenson uses his own profitability as evidence that the system can be gamed, and he links this to a broader argument for urgent reforms to address inequality. The conversation transitions from personal success to structural critique, posing a fundamental question about how policy should respond when monetary stimulus disproportionately inflates asset values. He argues that simply pumping money into the financial system without addressing inequality creates a long-term drag on demand and social mobility. Overall, the dialogue frames an urgent program for economic reform that emphasizes redistribution, direct investment in public goods, and a redefinition of what counts as economic success. The host team nudges viewers to consider how current crisis responses mirror past dynamics and what kind of policy mix could prevent a repeat of the wealth concentration that accompanied earlier recoveries. The extended discussion bridges macro theory, personal experience, and an appeal for policy action, inviting listeners to rethink GDP as a sole measure of national wealth and to demand a more human-centric economic framework that prioritizes living standards and opportunity over asset inflation alone.

Topics · economy · finance · politics · inequality · monetary_policy

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Why do monetary policies in the 2008 era tend to inflate asset prices more than stimulate broad economic growth?
Monetary policy expands the money supply and lowers financing costs, but the recipients are typically those with the easiest access to credit, such as large institutions and wealthy individuals, who then bid up assets like stocks, gold, and housing, rather than directly increasing durable goods or employment.
What alternative policy mix does Gary Stevenson advocate to reduce inequality and stimulate productive investment?
He supports direct government investment and job creation, targeted measures to boost demand for ordinary people, and policies that ensure money is spread more equitably, rather than primarily expanding credit to the wealthiest households.